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Postby Meierznutz » November 12th, 2017, 5:59 pm

I am going to toss this out here folks.... I have seen a decline of the use of the forum lately. Is this an indicator of the health of our club? Has the "Forum Age" come to an end? Is it just a lack of new/interesting posts that garner responses on the forum?

I fully accept that I have not been to any events this year as I have not had a Miata that was running (I don't think you all want my big stupid truck chasing you around the backroads on the poker run) but I do stay in touch through the forum on a regular basis.

So back to topic.... is our club healthy and thriving but with a host of people that "Lurk" behind the screen without participating on line? I'm not complaining or pointing fingers in any way... I just want to know if there is an issue to discuss, perhaps at the next meeting?
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby 3miataFamily » November 13th, 2017, 9:36 am

things go in cycles...club has been thru lulls in forum use in the past...
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby PeteD » November 25th, 2017, 1:35 pm

Hey Chris, I feel that forum use could be an indicator of club health, just as the air temp could be an indicator of whether its a good day for a top-down drive. By itself, it may be misleading, so it needs to be taken together with other factors for an accurate reading.

With regard to club health, I'd also consider:
  • the size of the club (growing? shrinking? are new members joining replace old or sample people for the last 20 years?)
  • the demographics of club members (some folks may not use forums)
  • the number of recent events
  • participation in recent events (is it the same core of folks or do different people come to different events?)
  • time of year (now that summer is over, maybe people have turned their attention to other things)
Does anyone in the club keep track of this kind of info?
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby Jckrbt » November 25th, 2017, 7:49 pm

Guys,
You seem so interested in the club, yet I don’t see either one of you getting involved.
The club is looking for an events coordinator at the moment, why don’t you step up?
If you were to show up to a monthly meeting you would know exactly how many members there are, along with the financials and any other club issues / happenings.
By the way, our secretary emails everyone in the club minutes of the monthly meeting. There is good information in the minutes for those interested in the health of our club.
I too am concerned for the heath of the club and have stepped up by providing a few event rides this year. It would would be great to see a few more seasoned club members volunteer to lead an event.
How about it?

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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby PeteD » November 26th, 2017, 8:06 am

Hi Dan, I participate in club activities to the extent I can balancing other priorities and activities in my life. Sometimes that means all I can do is make a quick post on the forum. Other times I can do more - like hosting a ride.

The monthly meeting minutes from Jim are great and the most practical way for me to stay in touch with the administrative side of the club.
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby QuattroGuy » November 27th, 2017, 6:45 pm

Facebook is killing online forums. I have a lot of different cars and subscribe to BMW/Audi/Miata/Porsche/MINI/MG forums...not to mention a couple of travel forums. I've seen traffic dive sharply in the last few years, and I've seen tons more groups on Facebook. I don't think you can read much about the health of the club from activity on this page.

So now let me contradict myself by saying that I think the club experience is trailing off as well. Part of any car club is knowledge exchange, which is less important that 30 seconds and few clicks finds you video instructions on anything from repairing your Rolex to diagnosing appendicitis. I've let my Nutmeg membership lapse as I'm drawn in several other directions, but it was the tech days that first drew me to the club. So maybe the forums are the canary in the coal mine; maybe club membership will follow forum activity. I was just at a VW meet, which was kinda cool, but the majority of the cars there would not respond well to be driven in anger (read: slammed/stanced/both). If all you intend to do is look at your car and others, you can do that from your living room couch without enduring 45 minutes of tire rub to sit in a parking lot.

The clubs that survive will have a varied experience and will be hands-on for both wrenches and steering wheels. HPDE, autocross, tech days, regular social activities. And if you want people to show up to those activities, don't forget to post them up on Facebook. :-/

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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby dlmphoto » November 27th, 2017, 7:37 pm

Tom- "hands-on for both wrenches and steering wheels"
⬆️ This.
My feelings exactly. Thank you for your input. Couldn't have said it better myself. Local club=real life.
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby PeteD » November 27th, 2017, 8:06 pm

QuattroGuy wrote:The clubs that survive will have a varied experience and will be hands-on for both wrenches and steering wheels. HPDE, autocross, tech days, regular social activities.

Absolutely! This is one of the things that I've liked about our club: the variety of demographics & activities. Not all were for me, but something for everyone.
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby bdailey » January 21st, 2018, 6:31 pm

I bought my miata at the end of September, and look to this forum first for live communication. I do utilize YouTube for a lot of tech help, but my experience thus far has been that members to this forum are generally very friendly and helpful. I hope to become a full member of the club this year, although my “free time” is very limited. Nonetheless, a major reason why cars are so cool is that we can share them with other people.

I’m getting ready to do the timing belt, water pump, thermostat + everything else in the way, and will be posting my experience with that. It is my first time tackling this job on a miata... and really the first significant job on my miata. Looking forward to it!

Cheers!
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby 3miataFamily » January 22nd, 2018, 1:55 pm

bdailey wrote:I bought my miata at the end of September, and look to this forum first for live communication. I do utilize YouTube for a lot of tech help, but my experience thus far has been that members to this forum are generally very friendly and helpful. I hope to become a full member of the club this year, although my “free time” is very limited. Nonetheless, a major reason why cars are so cool is that we can share them with other people.

I’m getting ready to do the timing belt, water pump, thermostat + everything else in the way, and will be posting my experience with that. It is my first time tackling this job on a miata... and really the first significant job on my miata. Looking forward to it!

Cheers!


Drop me a line if you hit any snags...I've only done this job about 3 or 40 times... :whistel:
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby bdailey » January 23rd, 2018, 8:28 am

thank you 3miatafamily. My plan is to just go in stages and utilize a video that I have found which really does a nice job explaining the process. The guy tries to be funny in the beginning of the video, and it is a little hokie....but he seems to know his way around a miata come crunch time.

Here is a link to it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKHv5_d1a6I
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby Jckrbt » January 23rd, 2018, 8:04 pm

Joe,
I didn’t know that you made YouTube videos. Lol!
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby 3miataFamily » January 25th, 2018, 8:53 am

Jckrbt wrote:Joe,
I didn’t know that you made YouTube videos. Lol!



sorry..I couldn't get past the first two minutes of that...
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby arathol » January 26th, 2018, 1:24 am

Not sure I would use that video as an all encompassing tutorial. Do a lot more research before you dive in. Seems to me that the video makes it look a lot easier than it actually is. That guy seems to just breeze past a few things with a passing "I don't know, maybe you should check on that" or "look it up".
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby bdailey » January 26th, 2018, 6:17 pm

I do have a Haynes manual and hope to use that for torque specs and a reference. What would you recommend I look into before diving in?
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby arathol » January 26th, 2018, 8:06 pm

The Haynes manual will help you more than that video will.
Yes, do find and use the correct torque values, especially on the aluminum parts. Those bolts on the cam covers can break if you look at them too hard. Remove them in sequence opposite from installation, and its real important to get them all tightened the same in the correct sequence or you might get leaks. I use a beam type torque wrench, 0-200 in/lbs, set in 2 stages- 35 in/lbs first time around then 65 in/lbs exactly on each bolt. Done my cover several times this way with no silicone sealer and a genuine Mazda gasket, no leaks at all. Make sure the cover is stone cold too when you remove it.
Make sure you have the right tools, including a good seal puller (sharp pointy things and polished sealing surfaces don't mix) and something to protect the crankshaft, accurate torque wrenches that register ft/lbs and in/lbs and a belt tension gauge.
Use the correct gaskets and thermostat, not all are created equal. Do you have power tools? A good impact gun really can help things along when trying to remove a crank bolt.
Read up on setting the static timing. The video hits the basics but its good to know all of the issues you might encounter.
I'd use a new crank bolt. I think those might be torque to yield (?) so reusing might the old one might be questionable. You don't want to find out the hard way, not for a $2 part.
All the small detail stuff that wasn't fully explained in the video basically. Its not a really difficult thing to do, but there are plenty of small things that can go wrong and you'll have to take it apart again.
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby bdailey » January 26th, 2018, 8:13 pm

Thank you arethol for taking the time to write that. I do have power tools and a neimatic impact wrench. Will a Mazda dealer have that crank bot in stock? I’ll read the Haynes manual now. I’ll get back at you if I have a question on it’s description. What’s the best source for info on the static timing?
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby arathol » January 26th, 2018, 9:45 pm

bdailey wrote: Will a Mazda dealer have that crank bot in stock? I’ll read the Haynes manual now. I’ll get back at you if I have a question on it’s description. What’s the best source for info on the static timing?

A dealer might possibly have that bolt. Don't forget to put a bit of blue loctite on that when installing. Blue, not red.
https://forum.miata.net/vb/ has lots of threads on static timing issues and reassembly problems as well as timing belt replacements.
If you have not looked there yet, an excellent garage section has been assembled also with lots of good info.
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Re: Health of OUR club

Postby bdailey » January 28th, 2018, 3:08 pm

I’m going to start a thread in the tinkering section on my timing belt overhaul. Obviously this thread was originally about something different. Thanks all for the input
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